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County leaders may take aim at sales on 60
Published: August 12, 2009
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Photo by Roslyn Ryan
Melinda Taylor unpacks boxes of items to sell at the weekly group yard sale outside the Red Barn convenience store. County leaders have recently expressed concern over parking at the site.


By Roslyn Ryan, Editor
editor@powhatantoday.com

By 9 a.m. on what promised to be a sweltering Saturday morning last week, behind the Red Barn convenience store on Route 60, Melinda Taylor had already unpacked the bulk of the boxes she had filled helping her mother-in-law clean out her house.

Odds and ends collected over many years joined the odds and ends of at least a dozen other families, hauled to the grassy field and spread out on tables for yard sale hunters to peruse and pick though.

The sale has become a weekly tradition in the county, and last Saturday’s Red Barn gathering was one of a handful of other yard sales dotting the county from one end of Route 60 to the other.

Now however, citing concerns over parking and safety issues, the county is taking a second look at the weekly sales held up and down the county’s main thoroughfare.

The issue drew strong words from District 4 Supervisor Scott Daniel when it came up during a workshop last week.

“For me it’s a public safety issue,” said Daniel, pointing out the danger of cars parked alongside Route 60 and the possibility of a shopper getting hit exiting his or her vehicle. “Someone is going to get run over. [I don’t have a problem with yard sales] but they need to be done in a safe place.”

Powhatan, unlike many localities, does not have an ordinance specifically dealing with yard sales, but the county can ask that the site comply with current access management standards, which would mean putting in a turning lane. The county has already placed no parking signs along the northern edge of the property, but officials say that has led residents to simply park along the southern edge, on Route 13.

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Friends Pop Goode and Pop Kite say they have tried unsuccessfully to get a permit to sell their produce.

Red Barn owner Ajay Gandhi, who leases the property and allows yard sale goers to use his restroom on Saturdays, says he deosn’t see the weekly sale as a sfety issue.

“I’ve been here three years and I have never seen a problem,” he said, noting that parking along 60 is no longer an issue since the county posted the signs.

Supervisors, it seems, disagree. But while the group sales at Red Barn have raised concern, Supervisor Carson Tucker insists that the county is “certainly not in the business of regulating regular homeowners.” The supervisors plan to ask staff to consider a course of action for dealing with the safety issues involved, but Tucker said they will not be going after individual residents in their own yards who are trying to unload a few boxes from the attic.

Board members says safety is their primary concern but there is also another issue at play. People holding yard sales are currently not required to have the temporary business license that other roadside businesses, such as produce stands, are required to have.

For sellers like Pop Goode, it’s a question of fairness.

Goode and his friend Ray “Pop” Kite are both disabled, and say they typically use whatever money they make selling produce in the summer to fund a few fishing trips.

Last Friday found them set up in the parking lot of the Shell station just up the road from Red Barn, relaxing under a tent and greeting most of their customers by name. They have been trying to apply for the required permit, but have run into a road block: while the manager of the Shell has given them permission to sell there, they cannot get in touch with the absentee owner to get his required signature on their paper work.

The whole situation leaves a bad taste in his mouth, Kite says. “I’ve been out here 30 years and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Tucker said the Board is aware of the concerns of vendors like Goode and Kite, and said that equity is definitely a concern.

“Why should some people be forced to go through the protocols while others don’t have to?” he asked.

While the board is considering asking the Planning Commission to take up the matter, County Attorney John Rick warned those in attendance at last week’s workshop that they may face a difficult task. One way of dealing with the issue may be to simply expand the definition of temporary businesses, but Rick warned that there may not be a way to make everyone involved happy. “This is not an area that is subject to a perfect solution,” he said.

The next Board of Supervisors meeting will be held on Mon. Aug. 17 at 7 p.m. at Powhatan High School.




Reader Comments


observer of outside
Aug. 19, 2009, 01:36 AM

Seems to be “prepping the field” for Walmart to come into town. Put up some licensing roadblocks for yard sales and back of the truck produce sales.

Walmart will of course have no problems meeting the licensing and access/parking requirements after a series of special private meetings where they discuss special private matters.


Powhatan Girl of Powhatan, VA
Aug. 17, 2009, 12:50 PM

To Powhatan Resident—-You are so so so wrong about 2 things….1) The fee to set up is not 20.00…it is 10.00 and 2) the money does not go to and has nothing to do with the gentleman at Red Barn.  The Gentleman in the store leases the propoerty and has nothing to do with the field that people hold their yardsales on.  It’s all in the article.  This is why everyone gets in an uproar…because facts are not stated.


Miffed of Powhatan
Aug. 16, 2009, 08:56 PM

The owner of the Red Barn, Mr. Gandhi, does not get paid for the bulk of the people that come there.  His property is only a small area from the electric pole to his store and most park on the car wash side.  The largest area belongs to the former owner of the Red Barn. The cost is $10 per day.  When I would go there to sell, I was not happy with the condition of the area since the grass was almost always high, and there were rocks and holes in the general area but it was convenient to get more customers.  Mr Gandhi at least kept his grass cut so we would park there when we could get there early enough.  Signs were placed beside Route 60 to stop parking there and the pulling in and out of traffic ended with that.  I would expect Mr. Daniel to know this fact since it is so important to him.  The people that go here to sell live here in the county.  They are not there to make a million because it is not possible.  In these tough economic times, I think they deserve the right to go there and try to make a little money.  It is to me a public service since many people that have yard sales at their homes, don’t remove their signs, leaving them to look bad and eventually fall down and become litter.  At least here, you can go and visit more than one and save a lot of time and gas.  For me, it is a Saturday ritual that I enjoy.  As for the fairgrounds, I checked into that myself.  It sounds like a good idea as long as the cost isn’t so high that it discourages people from wanting to come.  I doubt anyone would have a problem with that, none did that I asked.  First hand knowledge shows that you can’t make a ton of money at the Red Barn, though sometimes you might do quite well.  Most of the sellers that I have met, are just trying to help out their finances a little bit by selling their used or unwanted items.  Getting a license and being limited to how many sales you can have or just seems silly to me.  It seems all I hear is how everyone wants the county to stay the same, but lo and behold, here come some of the bigger county rules.  I hope that this can be resolved by just moving the location and that it does not become just another bitter pill for us to swallow.


Powhatan Resident
Aug. 14, 2009, 11:31 PM

The reason this is happening at Red Barn is because our Board of Supervisors found it appropriate to pass a zoning ordinance that lets vendors camp on the side of the road with a temporary permit as long as the property owners give them permission. This ordinance was pushed through and not one single supervisor questioned the Red Barn situation with the massive flea market developing on the side of the road. This is problematic of a board who is more concerned about the “in crowd” and furthering their own self serving agenda. I suggest the county get off of some money and help these people successfully move across the street to the Fairgrounds. The dude at Red Barn will be miffed because those guys pay him $20 a day (each) to sell there. Offer them an incentive to go over to the Fairgrounds. The Fair a non-profit organization and the Powhatan County Fair is the official endorsed fair of Powhatan as per the board of supervisors. This isn’t about who is wrangling the political system in Powhatan, it’s about all these people who have been overlooked and now pushed out because what the county allowed to go unchecked. Now we have an obligation to take care of these people, ask the Fairgrounds to take them into a safe area and the county to help them. If the county does not step up and take accountability for this one, you’ll be able to see what each and every supervisor is made of.


Rompy of Powhatan
Aug. 14, 2009, 09:06 PM

You know i think Pamela is right the fair grounds would be a good spot and not only that more venders can get involved. The only reason the red barn would be upset is maybe he will loose alot of buisness from it but maybe not


Pamela of Powhatan VA
Aug. 14, 2009, 08:48 PM

I did not properly attribute the quote to Eldridge Cleaver.  I was raised differently I suppose, concerning name-calling.  Online manners refers to not typing in all caps, but I guess maybe you are intentionally shouting, you sound angry.  Why not channel that productively?I suggested the fairgrounds, what is your suggestion?  Peace out.


Rompy of Powhatan
Aug. 14, 2009, 07:03 PM

The only reason the county is act like this is because they will fined some way to make moore money off this bull. Maybe they just want to put in another 1.1 million dollar side walk somewhere!


Dave Osbourne of Powhatan
Aug. 14, 2009, 05:43 PM

People get hit over and over at the Bell Rd. intersection and yet nothing is done about it, so why are we worried about the possibility of some one getting hit at the flea market, it has not happened yet that I am aware of.
So why fix it until the problem exists, and in the case of Bell rd why fix it at all.


Diogenes of Powhatan, VA
Aug. 14, 2009, 03:02 PM

The flea market next to the Red Barn is a big liability risk, and in my opinion it is poor judgment on the part of the owner of the property to allow that flea market to operate.  I have not studied the situation carefully enough to know whether the County can or should do anything about it, but as a matter of common sense, I think the owner of the property is using poor judgment.


Powhatan Resident
Aug. 13, 2009, 10:29 PM

If you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem…..know who said that? And the reason they said it?

To call someone stupid is not bad manners. How about silly? Better? I have a right to say what I want but you don’t like it? Well telling me I have bad manners is just as bad as me saying stupid. It’s acceptable to vent only under your rules? I don’t think so.


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